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Tech Talk => GPSr Units => Garmin => Topic started by: CocaColaCacher on November 25, 2010, 18:13:10

Title: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: CocaColaCacher on November 25, 2010, 18:13:10
... let the debate begin.   ;D

I've decided that I want a dedicated paperless GPS so I'm not really interested in 60+ and iTouch type of option.

I keep going back and forth.  I've been out with 450/550 users and like the idea of the larger touch screen but the idea of the external antenna and more rugged case is appealing.

Need some help to decide, especially considering the 450 sale on now.

Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: cron on November 25, 2010, 18:35:56
Apart from the Wherigo support (on the 450), it's pretty much the same thing except for the form factor. Some touchscreen, some don't.
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: Dr Jeckyl and Mr Hide on November 25, 2010, 21:57:39
I have both the Oregon 550 and a 62S and I say go for the Oregon! Much better screen resolution. The 62 is good, but the Oregon is awesome.
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: CocaColaCacher on November 26, 2010, 07:36:39
Of course with a name like that you'd have two different GPSr's.  ;D

GPSCity had the 450 on for $229, had to pull the trigger at that price.  And as a user of both devices I'm trusting your opinion.

I'll confess that I wanted a 450 for the screen but the idea of the 62 antenna was pulling me the other way.  What did it was $200 price difference between the units today, the 62 is nice but not $200 nicer.

Now I have to wait until Christmas to use it, apparently the kids want to give me something for geocaching.  Oh well, hadn't counted on having a new GPSr until my Bday in Feb so I guess I can wait one month.
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: portera on November 26, 2010, 09:03:33
GPSCity had the 450 on for $229

And I thought $269 was good yesterday! I have got to figure out how to get the CFO to approve this. My Colorado is driving me nuts!
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: graciious on November 26, 2010, 09:07:13
Between you me and the visiters to this forum, I painted my wifes toenails while talking about ordering my 62s...   :-[  It is amazing what we will do to get permission for things.
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: Project_Pandemonium on November 26, 2010, 09:56:57
I know it`s not the 62, but Cabelas (US) has a GPS Map 60Csx for 199 $, black friday online sale. I use touchscreen and I am not too familiar with the GPS map series, but as it was previously listed at 499$, it may be a good deal.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Home/5-Day-Sale-Hunting-Gear%7C/pc/105625080/c/106997580/Garmin174-GPSMAP-60CSx/741489.uts?destination=%2Fbrowse.cmd%3FcategoryId%3D106997580
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: Dr Jeckyl and Mr Hide on November 29, 2010, 22:22:57
Of course with a name like that you'd have two different GPSr's.  ;D

GPSCity had the 450 on for $229, had to pull the trigger at that price.  And as a user of both devices I'm trusting your opinion.

I'll confess that I wanted a 450 for the screen but the idea of the 62 antenna was pulling me the other way.  What did it was $200 price difference between the units today, the 62 is nice but not $200 nicer.

We both think you'll be very happy with your choice.  :D The screen resolution is so much better than the 62 that I feel bad keeping the 62 around. I don't think it will get much use, but I want to take my time to see if it has any advantages over the Oregon.

The only advantage that comes to mind is that the display of the 62 is easier to see if the backlight is off, compared to the same setting on the Oregon, but that's not enough to tempt me back to using it.
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: narcissa on December 01, 2010, 11:07:37
I am enjoying my 450.
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: junglehair on December 01, 2010, 20:05:45
Sad to hear that in the Oregon vs. the 62s, you prefer the Oregon.  I had such hopes for that unit.

Tromelin is using a 450 and I am using the 550.  The paperless option is great, but the reception in tree cover is terrible - even when there is no canopy on the trees.  The unit has a tendancy to freeze up on occasion and there seems to be a few bugs they need to work out yet.  I long for the accuracy and reception of my old 60Cx, but not sure I would want to go back to having to load the PDA as well.  I also make use of the logging notes feature on the Oregon and I would surely miss that feature.

Enjoy your new Oregon!  It may take a bit to get used to the new interface, but it does have some nice features.  I can give you some pointers if we're out on the trail together again in the near future. 

A few pointers:
- If the unit freezes, you'll need to pop the batteries out to reset it.
- If that wipes out all your waypoints, you'll need to get to a computer to reload them, or you can apparently just change the file name and the next time it boots up it will load the files.  It doesn't actually delete the waypoints, the gpx file is still there, it just doesn't load them.
- You can store several 1000 waypoints on the Oregon - I try not to max it out though, so usually have no more than 2-3000 waypoints loaded at one time.
- To load the waypoints, you can just drag and drop your Pocket Query GPX file into the Garmin/GPS folder.
- The unit tends to overshoot, so try to slow down as you are approaching ground zero.  That seems to help.
- To find a Chirp cache, you will need to ensure that the unit software is up-to-date and includes the Chirp software.  You also need to go into the settings and enable that feature when you want to use it.
- There is a limit to the numbers of characters it can download for a cache page.  Sometimes it cuts off the last portion of the page (like all the logging questions on a really wordy EarthCache).  If you're planning to do an EarthCache, make sure the entire page is loaded before you head out, otherwise you'll want to make sure you at least have the logging questions.








Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: Dr Jeckyl and Mr Hide on December 01, 2010, 20:23:57
Sad to hear that in the Oregon vs. the 62s, you prefer the Oregon.  I had such hopes for that unit...

If the choice is between the 62 and the Oregon, I have to say that my 62S locks up much more often than my Oregon. I can't remember the last time my Oregon locked up but the 62 is at least once a day, and I don't even have to be doing anything at all. It'll be scrolling a map screen on it's own as I travel on the road and after a while I notice the screen hasn't budged in ages...

My Legend HCx never locks, and sooner or later all these 'new tech' units (Oregon/62) will be as reliable as that. Garmin's been very good at updating the software so far, so I'm not worried about it. It'll happen eventually.

I'm still not going back to using the older units just because these lock up once in a while, though. Unless all my Oregons and 62's break down, that is.  ;D
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: kirok on December 01, 2010, 20:37:36
If the choice is between the 62 and the Oregon, I have to say that my 62s locks up much more often than my Oregon. I can't remember the last time my Oregon locked up but the 62 is at least once a day, and I don't even have to be doing anything at all. It'll be scrolling a map screen on it's own as I travel on the road and after a while I notice the screen hasn't budged in ages...

Well, I'm not a big fan of my 62s, but I've had it since release day (June?) and it's only ever locked up on me once.  If mine displayed the symptoms yours has, I'd have returned it long ago. 
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: portera on December 01, 2010, 20:51:03
My Colorado locks up waaayyy too often. That's one of the things I hate about it. If my new Oregon does it, It'll be going back, and back, and back...
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: cron on December 01, 2010, 21:05:34
I also make use of the logging notes feature on the Oregon and I would surely miss that feature.

When I found the Osgoode caches, I thought it wouldn't make sense to log them all one by one. A bit of research returned this "Field Notes" feature. Hmmm... I quickly wrote a Perl script to go through my finds and create the file for me, which I later uploaded to geocaching.com (and it was quick to log all these caches!).

I'm just finishing writing a macro that will mimic this behaviour for any Garmin GPS. No need for the Oregon for me so far (except for Chirp and Wherigo).
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: Dr Jeckyl and Mr Hide on December 01, 2010, 22:19:08
If the choice is between the 62 and the Oregon, I have to say that my 62s locks up much more often than my Oregon. I can't remember the last time my Oregon locked up but the 62 is at least once a day, and I don't even have to be doing anything at all. It'll be scrolling a map screen on it's own as I travel on the road and after a while I notice the screen hasn't budged in ages...

Well, I'm not a big fan of my 62s, but I've had it since release day (June?) and it's only ever locked up on me once.  If mine displayed the symptoms yours has, I'd have returned it long ago. 

I trust Garmin will sort it out eventually. Think I read somewhere that badly formed code in some gpx files might be the cause of most of the lockups...
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: marvin_gardens on March 08, 2013, 15:49:50
I'm going to bring up this thread again, as I am now going though this dilemma...   I have a Map60Cx, which I really like, except for the lack of cache page info. It is starting to really bother me, hence I'm looking at replacing it.

Costco has Oregon 450's for just under $200.  I picked one up but haven't opened yet. (you have to buy them when you see them or they may be gone the next time you visit) My wife asked me if I bought it because it is what I really want, or because its $200?  What I really want is a Map60 with cache page information.

I don't consider using a smartphone as an option right now. I rarely bring the phone with me, but when I do, I use c:geo.  Its a pretty good application, but my phone is really slow to lock to the satellites, its certainly not weather resistant or robust, and the screen is hard to see in daylight.

Most of the reviews I read for both devices are over 2 years old.   The early reviews for the map62 lamented that the interface was not as nice as the Map60, and some features were missing.
Early complaints for the 450 were that it hung, it was not intuitive to perform functions such as projection or other functions.

Now that people have used it for a while, has the software on the Map62 been upgraded to address the acquire time and the intuitiveness and look and feel of the Map60 interface?  Are proximity circles the only thing missing?  if you "upgraded" from a Map60, do you still prefer your Map60?

What about the 450?  Has stuff like this been improved with software upgrades, or did you get to know your gps better?
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: GreyingJay on March 08, 2013, 16:18:33
Heh, I saw the 450's too (great price!) and I echo your sentiment about buying swiftly at Costco. I've been burned WAY too many times by "I saw it last time... crap, it's gone!"

They do have a really good return policy, so you could always try it out for a couple of days and see how you like it. If you don't, you can return it.
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: bluelamb03 on March 08, 2013, 16:45:47
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What I really want is a Map60 with cache page information.

Like you I like the MAP60Cx, but for the cache page info I use my iPhone with the geocaching app. Problem solved.

If you're getting rid of your 60Cx I would consider buying it from you, PM me and we can talk......

Blue -



Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: portera on March 08, 2013, 18:21:09
I have never used a 60 or a 62, but I have had my 450 for a couple of years, and I really like it. I have found a couple of actions that will shut it off, but it never freezes on me.

Sub $200 is a very good deal. The only unit that I have been tempted to replace my 450 with is the new Oregon 650, as it addresses all the shortfalls that I find with the 450 like the screen brightness, rechargeable internal battery, USB2 to name a few.
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: cd.cuts on March 10, 2013, 17:43:12
I also love my Oregon 450.

Note that if I understand properly, the Wherigo player is only supported on Oregons up to (including) 550, but not 600+.
It is not supported in GPSMAP62 nor Montana devices.

Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: bluelamb03 on March 10, 2013, 18:32:26

Note that if I understand properly, the Wherigo player is only supported on Oregons up to (including) 550, but not 600+.


The Wherigo app for the iPhone is stable, secure and has never failed to operate properly. Much superior to any Garmin device I've ever seen in action....

Blue -
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: FoxEcho on March 12, 2013, 15:43:55
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Heh, I saw the 450's too (great price!) and I echo your sentiment about buying swiftly at Costco. I've been burned WAY too many times by "I saw it last time... crap, it's gone!"
You can also buy it online at Costco.ca    Hum, should I...  ::)
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: BlackRose67 on August 25, 2013, 20:25:48
Just an FYI regarding Costco and the 450 if anyone is still looking.

The Kanata store was sold out of them when we were there last week, but the Merivale store still has them available when I was there today @ 196.99.

With a few exceptions I do like my eTrex 20 but I'm debating whether to pick up a 450 for the 3-axis compass, unit-to-unit transfer, and chirp.
I could get an eTrex 30 for the same features (minus touch screen) and keep GLONASS (really helps in tree cover) for about $50 more, or hold off and hope for a Black Friday deal on an Oregon 600.
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: FoxEcho on September 06, 2013, 14:13:05
The 62s is on sale at Sail for $249.99 ($100 off) until Sept 15th.
I'll wait for the November sale: the 62sc, free as my 25 year recognition award  :D
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: Starkiller on September 06, 2013, 14:16:37
I'm looking forward to reviewing the Garmin Monterra, personally.

http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2013/06/garmin-announces-monterra-an-android-powered-outdoor-gps-with-wifi.html#.UioprD_3NMc

Wifi, android on a Garmin GPS? Bold steps for Garmin... Could be great if they do it right, or it could be a huge flop.
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: GreyingJay on September 06, 2013, 14:48:29
Yeah, I've been eyeing that one as well.

Probably not all that different from caching with my smartphone with the Geocaching app. I have to admit I use that about 95% of the time now. The only time I pulled out my Garmin 60csx recently was for the PRT trail marathon, and even then, you saw how many times it sent me to the wrong side of the trail.

Having an actual proper GPS unit that could run the Geocaching app, access the internet, post photos, etc. sounds like the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: Garmin 450 vs 62s...
Post by: BlackRose67 on September 06, 2013, 14:50:26
I've had my eye on the Oregon 600 series, but the recommended minimum operating temp is only -15C, versus -20C for the 450/550 and most of the other Garmin units.