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Tech Talk => Geocaching Web Sites => Topic started by: bluelamb03 on July 28, 2011, 15:13:30

Title: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: bluelamb03 on July 28, 2011, 15:13:30
You've probably looked at the area's Cacher Statistics/ Leaderboard at least once!
 
We've linked to the page, http://www.valpin.com/CCC/Found.html, created by Valpin and hosted on his server both on the 'old' forum and on this one too.  Lately though it seems that this page has been abandoned....

Newbies report having difficulty getting on the page, stats are often several days stale (Dernière mise à jour : 07/22/2011 as I write this), and there's people on the list I've never heard of!

And I've always thought it odd that a page titled "Canada's Captial Cachers Statistics" featured a photo of downtown Gatineau! I've seen several photos of Parliment Hill taken from the Gatineau side that are more instantly recognizable as "Canada's Capital"...

Now that Valpin seems to have moved on perhaps it's time to let this page go as well. I propose that we sever the link with the wonky  Valpin "Canada's Captial Cachers Statistics" page.

Do we want a new version? I've been looking at people on http://www.cacherstats.com/LocationIndex.html for years. Though not as "local" as Valpin's page, it is up to date and you're on it unless you request to be redacted.

Any thoughts?

Blue -
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: qtman on July 28, 2011, 15:43:31
Blue,
If Valpin is no longer supporting his Stat's page, maybe it is time to move on.

Bob
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: CocaColaCacher on July 28, 2011, 18:00:04
It is useful to see if someone has crossed a landmark number, that is the part I look at occasionally.  It would be nice if this part could be reproduced in some fashion.  Other than that it's not about the numbers in the sense of where you rank against others in the CCC.  I'd say cut it loose with thanks to Valpin for the presumably years of making it available.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: bbrimacombe on July 28, 2011, 18:39:44
Just like CocaColaCacher, I also enjoy seeing the milestones.  Another thing that is lost if we start using the stats on this page http://www.cacherstats.com/LocationIndex.html is that the Gatineau cachers will be on a separate list from the Ottawa cachers.  I also like seeing the ranking of the local cachers in terms of the number of hides.  I agree that if Valpin's stats aren't being maintained then we should probably move away from linking to them but maybe there is a third option other than cacherstats?
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: royfran on July 28, 2011, 21:15:00
I kinda liked that page, even if I never managed to get picked up by his robot.  Is anyone familiar with the software he's using or the server it's hosted on?  Does any one here have the expertise to take ownership of the robot and get it working again?  Is Valpin available for a "knowledge transfer" session?

It'd be a shame to give up without trying anything.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: Tegiro on July 28, 2011, 23:12:34
I kinda like our stats page. It seems to reflect our own community as a group. Too bad if it has to go!
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: missbug on July 29, 2011, 07:01:23
i look at the CCC stats page daily and am disappointed when it hasn't updated. i hope that someone can come along and create a new one! the top 100 link from lib doesn't do it for me  ::)
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: cavecats on July 29, 2011, 07:08:50
I too like the "local" STATS page.  I still glance at it daily to see who's been busy logging/caching. 

A couple of years back when I was playing/watching the numbers game, I anticipated the daily updates.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: JoMari on July 29, 2011, 09:09:39
I too think the local stat page is a nice idea even though we still haven't made it on there for some reason. Had a look at the Cacherstats page that Bluelamb mentions and found out that according that page we are located in Florida??? Not even on the local page for that one either. So if we at least had a locally run page that was updated, it would be much easier to see what the local cachers are up to. I'm sure someone around here would have the smarts to make one or offer to take over the existing one and the community could look after it.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: bluelamb03 on July 29, 2011, 09:20:44
Well we, the CCC, do have a 'beta' Stats page (courtesy of Kirok, uber web master) which is being worked on......

Anyone on this forum gets placed on the list unless they ask to be left out. No automatic listing after finding Cache ABC or Cache DEF.
   
Would that be OK with everyone? People not members of this forum would have to ask to be added to the list.

Blue -
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: cavecats on July 29, 2011, 09:43:54
Well we, the CCC, do have a 'beta' Stats page (courtesy of Kirok, uber web master) which is being worked on......

Anyone on this forum gets placed on the list unless they ask to be left out. No automatic listing after finding Cache ABC or Cache DEF.
  
Would that be OK with everyone? People not members of this forum would have to ask to be added to the list.

Blue -

PERFECT!!!

Makes total sense that only those that cruise this forum be on the STATS list.  If we want to see what other "folks" are doing in stats, we can use the general stats site.

CCC rocks!!!
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: Green Frog on July 29, 2011, 09:52:48
Yes, I like the idea of implementing Kirok's stats page.  I have long enjoyed looking at the daily stats.

And it would be nice if new members could be added automatically, as proposed.

(I think the cacherstats site only gets updated once a week;  also, it seems kind of "dilute" because it covers all of Ontario, so that there are lots of names we don't know.  Hence a home-grown site is a lot more fun!)

-----

I do thank Valpin who kept his version going for numerous years, and was a very dedicated geocaching participant, also having a significant role in setting up the OMAX and other Outaouais activities, and placing a huge number of caches.

Frog
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: lostinthegarden on July 29, 2011, 13:16:57
The Ontario cacherstats pages are borrrring!  We want to see "local" coverage (including the Quebec side, of course) that highlights milestones and gives an indication of how active folks have been in the last while, etc.

Kirok has done a great job with the Binthair Challenge site, and since he's willing to do a local stats page, we say: go for it!
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: scotian on July 29, 2011, 14:34:48
if Kirok's willing to do it that's a great idea! even though I'm based in Petawawa a huge chunk of my finds are in the Ottawa area and I enjoy checking out the local cacher stats.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: elyob on July 29, 2011, 15:08:47
I too vote for the forum-members' stats page.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: JoMari on July 29, 2011, 18:31:20
I think this would be a great idea. Another vote for it.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: cipher78 on July 29, 2011, 18:48:44
+1 for Kirok
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: Marc (scout_toujours) on July 29, 2011, 19:04:53
I like the stats page, if you make a new one include me in it :)
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: Babushka_Qc on July 29, 2011, 19:44:26
We totally agree with the idea of local forum-based stats, including milestones.

And, Lisa, I will try to log sooner than I do now ....
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: kirok on July 30, 2011, 01:11:57
I've had a BETA page up and running for a while now, but I have not done any work on it in months.  It is functional, and up
updates finds nightly as other stats sites have before, but adding and removing users is not user friendly yet as I was simply adding them manually to the database myself.   It was / is a pet project that looks like I will need to resurrect soon.  Here is the Beta currently running under my domain:

http://www.mikron.ca/cccstats

PLEASE refrain from asking to be added to the list until I/we "deploy" the list live into the wild.  Also, please do not link any other pages to the stats page at my site, as the live version will likely be deployed somewhere here on the CCC domain.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: cd.cuts on July 30, 2011, 01:51:31
Thank you Kirok, your replacement stats page looks great! (Looking forward to be added once the page is ready to be deployed to the CCC website)

In the old stats page, I liked the columns "Member Since" and Last 7/30 days.
It was giving a brief insight as to how long the person has been caching and whether they are still active or taking a break.

Is it a lot of work to add those columns to your own page?
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: Xira on July 30, 2011, 07:07:41
Here's my vote, too!

I concur with cd.cuts. I like the 7 and 30 day listings.

I think that on the old page, "found yesterday" seemed to really be "logged yesterday", so someone catching up on logs could suddenly seem to have had a very energetic day, when in fact a look at their profile showed no finds yesterday at all. This is a very low priority request, but could that column and any similar ones really be 'found'?

Xira
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: bbrimacombe on July 30, 2011, 08:13:04
I like the beta stats page too.  I also like that the picture at the top of the page includes both sides of the river.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: bluelamb03 on July 30, 2011, 09:25:06
I think that on the old page, "found yesterday" seemed to really be "logged yesterday", so someone catching up on logs could suddenly seem to have had a very energetic day, when in fact a look at their profile showed no finds yesterday at all. This is a very low priority request, but could that column and any similar ones really be 'found'?

Xira

The problem is that the Stats Page can only update by 'looking' at the GC.com profile of that person and adding anything they've logged since the last update. So if they've logged nothing for a week, then post seven days of find logs in one session, it looks like they did a wack of caches the day before.

Blue -
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: royfran on July 30, 2011, 13:51:07
Big thumbs up to Kirok's stats page but I do agree that, if it's not too much work, the "Member since" and 7 / 30 days columns are useful indicators of a cacher's activities.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: Pibelle on August 01, 2011, 13:51:44
I like the "Last 7/30 days" columns on Valpins page as well.  If that feature can be integrated into the new page, looks like a winner to me.

Thanks Kirok for setting this up, and thanks to Valpin for all the work maintaining his site for the past several years.  Both are much appreciated.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: Redpoll on August 02, 2011, 07:07:31
I thought I'd chime in too.  Having a resource to see who's doing what in the region is most welcome, so it's hat's off to Valpin for developing and maintaining his page for as long as he did.

Many thanks Kirok for putting together a new leader board.  It looks great -- making great use of a representative panoramic shot and the "new" logo.  Only tweak I can see, as others have suggested, is the addition of columns for loggings within the past seven/thirty days.

Well done Kirok!
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: missbug on August 02, 2011, 08:01:46
Quote
And, Lisa, I will try to log sooner than I do now ....

 ;) heehee

nice job, kirok! thanks!!
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: royfran on August 03, 2011, 22:11:34
Wouldn't you know it, the robot heard us talking about replacing it and woke up.  Still hasn't picked me up though  :-[
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: portera on August 08, 2011, 09:39:00
I like Kirok's page too. I especially like that I jumped 13 spots higher ;).

So, as long as no one can be added that has more finds than me, then I'm good!  ;D
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: petendot on August 09, 2011, 22:42:46
I like Kirok's page also.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: Sakidoo on August 11, 2011, 08:42:20
I like it too given that's it is more accurate in terms of caches found 'yesterday'.   Good job Kirok.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: 3-Bearss on August 16, 2011, 18:57:25
Great Job on the stats page Kirok ... I still enjoy watching you CCC cachers rack up the finds!  8)
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: sagelily on August 30, 2011, 08:06:01
Hello, Kirok:  Sorry to bug you.  I have just today discovered the discussion regarding your "new" leaderboard.  So glad to know this kind of feature will continue!  When will we know that your list is "fully deployed"?  Will there be a notification on the main page of CCC, or will your list simply replace Valpin's?  Thanks!


Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: kirok on August 30, 2011, 22:11:44
Time has not been on my side of late, with little chance even for caching.  I will eventually get back to this project, but for now the Valpin site seems to be working again, so we'll keep that the official one for now.

Once mine is eventually ready, I will move it from my domain over to this one and release it to the general public.  Announcements will be made here on the forum.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: goobiegoo on September 14, 2011, 07:56:18
Decided to check the Valpin site this morning... sure enough, looks like it hasn't been updated in a while... that might be the end of that.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: Marc (scout_toujours) on September 14, 2011, 21:33:07
Hasn't really moved in over a month....
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: missbug on September 22, 2011, 10:09:30
the odd glitches on kirok's page made me chuckle this morning :D

http://www.mikron.ca/cccstats/
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: bluelamb03 on September 22, 2011, 10:42:23
Looks like Pibelle had a really good day! Heheheheheh.....

Now Steve's No. 3 once again? Oh, dear.... now we won't hear the end of it for days.

Blue -
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: model12 on September 22, 2011, 12:25:29
...it's not about the numbers...again...yet...  ::)
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: kirok on September 22, 2011, 17:29:35
Groundspeak connection dropped mid-update, so the database entries were messed up.  I'll run the update manually, which will skew the "yesterday" numbers slightly.  It'll sort itself out in the next day or two once a few more updates have refreshed the data.  That is, unless Groundspeak changes something, again...

I've already had to kill the Binthair site due to their last round of updates. Without "show all logs", it's pretty rough to scrape the entire cache page with a program.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: Sens-eh on September 22, 2011, 22:13:34
In the groundspeak feedback forums for the geocaching.com website, there is at least one request asking for a return of a "View All Logs" link.  On the cache pages. It currently has just over 1100 votes (in the top 10 of all active requests). It's status is currently "under review". Some more votes might help a bit - though even I know GroundSpeak does things if/when they want to.


http://feedback.geocaching.com/forums/75775-geocaching-com/suggestions/2248390-not-possible-to-show-all-logs-at-one-click-on-one- (http://feedback.geocaching.com/forums/75775-geocaching-com/suggestions/2248390-not-possible-to-show-all-logs-at-one-click-on-one-)



Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: GreyingJay on September 23, 2011, 07:46:34
Thanks for the link, I submitted my feedback.

Maybe I'm just a stalwart, but I liked the "old" Geocaching.com better.

(I also liked the "old" Facebook -- from 2 or 3 iterations ago -- oh well.)
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: Sens-eh on September 30, 2011, 15:08:36
...and Groundspeak has now declined the suggestion to bring back a show all logs link. Saying that it would cause too much strain on their servers!

<insert snide comment about GS listening to users here>

Anyhow, looks like even with the 1300+ votes they won't be bringing it back. I guess other solutions will need to be found  :(

<insert snide comment about how it worked fine a couple months ago>


Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: portera on September 30, 2011, 15:39:28
...and Groundspeak has now declined the suggestion to bring back a show all logs link. Saying that it would cause too much strain on their servers!

<insert snide comment about GS listening to users here>

Anyhow, looks like even with the 1300+ votes they won't be bringing it back. I guess other solutions will need to be found  :(

<insert snide comment about how it worked fine a couple months ago>

I see your snideness and raise you some derision...
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: Sens-eh on October 01, 2011, 17:46:18
The GreaseMonkey script I have been using on Geocaching.com has been updated to restore "View All Links" functionality.  There are a number of scripts designed by different people for GC.com, but the one I have been using is called GC little helper.

Not sure which browsers it works with, but using FireFox it works well. I'm not sure how/if it can be used in combination with screen scrapers - however, as the source code is readily viewable for it, perhaps the neccessary code can be found. Personally, I use it to add a drop down menu to the top banner of the site to give me quicker links to various areas, and a search box to jump to any GC code. I also use it to keep a VIP list so I can quickly jump to logs while on caches. It is especially useful for quickly jumping to all the CO's logs since for each cache the CO is automatically considered a VIP.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: model12 on October 01, 2011, 21:41:43
YAY! I installed it and now I have all the logs showing again and can use the global search function to find stuff on the cachepage and logs all at once again.

Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: Marc (scout_toujours) on October 02, 2011, 08:36:03
Looks like Valpins page is updating again... My stats are updated.... :)
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: royfran on October 02, 2011, 11:27:07
Yeah, and it finally picked me up after almost five months of active caching.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: bluelamb03 on October 26, 2011, 15:34:47
The Cacher Stats page that I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, http://www.cacherstats.com/LocationIndex.html , hasn't been updated since September now! Valpin's page is actually more up to date now.... go figure.... Kirok's page http://www.mikron.ca/cccstats/ continues to be the most accurate!

Blue -
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: kirok on October 26, 2011, 16:23:44
Sounds like I'm going to have to devote some time to finishing this project off.  It was not at the top of my to-do list, but it is quickly floating higher. 
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: sagelily on November 10, 2011, 09:34:42
Looking forward to it, Kirok!  Thank you for taking on this task.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: supa nature on April 29, 2012, 08:16:09
How do we get on the stats page? Just by caching? HOw many days after we logged our caches should we see our name on cache page?
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: royfran on April 29, 2012, 11:44:02
How do we get on the stats page? Just by caching? HOw many days after we logged our caches should we see our name on cache page?

That's the way it used to be but now we have switched to the Kirok stats page, so maybe if you're nice to him...  Adding new names to the list is now a manual process.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: valspad on April 29, 2012, 20:57:23
How do we get on the stats page? Just by caching? HOw many days after we logged our caches should we see our name on cache page?

I see you on the new page, you're number 50! http://www.mikron.ca/cccstats/ (http://www.mikron.ca/cccstats/)

Val
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: cd.cuts on March 27, 2013, 22:27:22
Yay! we have suddenly jumped from 100+ position to 24th today!  ;D
Apparently, we haven't found a single cache ever, but yesterday we found "-1304" caches  :o
Now, what happened to our two placed caches?  ???

Seems like last night's maintenance run has broken the script. Hopefully it was only caused by the fact that the website was down, not by a change of interface.
Title: Re: Valpin's CCC Cacher Stats page - time to let it go?
Post by: kirok on March 27, 2013, 22:53:21
LOL.  I checked teh script and it should correct itself at 01:15 during the nest run, assuming GC.com is not down again.