Canada's Capital Cachers / Cacheurs de la capitale du Canada

General Category => Newbies to CCC and geocaching => Topic started by: bluelamb03 on October 21, 2011, 18:23:10

Title: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: bluelamb03 on October 21, 2011, 18:23:10
OK, so you're not going to buy a second hand shipping container, what should you use for your cache?

I found a geocache called TREEHOLE http://coord.info/GCWHDJ in 2006 that was in a paperboard box lying on the ground under a large leaf. Needless to say it didn't last very long.

Enthusiastic newcomers are prone to using any containers they find at hand, raiding the recycling bin for what they need. Margarine tubs, yogurt containers, PB jars - you've probably seen them all in use. Even the venerable 'tupperware' which has given it's name to this hobby is actually a very poor container. They're made of polyethylene and over time, due to different rates of expansion of the different materials which are often used for the lid and the base, the lids will lose their ability to seal properly.

Some commonsense guidelines for choosing cache containers can be found in section 6.2 of the Geocaching Knowledge Books,  http://support.groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=75 (http://support.groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=75), another valuable source of information for geocachers.

Blue -
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: PA on October 21, 2011, 23:32:07
I agree with what you say here.  Our regular size caches are usually tobacco containers or ammo cans.  The former usually works well but once in a while, the contents can get damp, which I assume may be from cachers not tightening the lid.

We did a little maintenance hike the other day and checked on a cache we had placed in May 2004. It is in a peanut butter jar and everything is in perfect shape and it still has the original dry log book
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: narcissa on October 22, 2011, 08:40:50
I was astonished at the containers they got away with in Arizona. Real Tupperware, an old briefcase, metal tins! Here, though, the seasons present a real challenge to cache maintenance. Thanks for the tips!
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: royfran on October 22, 2011, 20:58:51
Another good lesson learned this morning.  I paid a visit to a cache I placed earlier this week with the intent of "tweaking" it, but to my complete surprize I found it entirely submerged.  I did not expect water to accumulate there but it did.  The camouflage tape (the hockey camo tape sold by Canadian Tire) looked like it had been battered by the elements for years but to my complete amazement there was not one drop of water inside the film cartridge (the white ones recommended for use by Groundspeak).  I had to redo the camouflage job using plastic camo tape; I don't recommend the hockey variety if the cache is expected to spend some time submerged or encased in ice.
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: GreyingJay on October 24, 2011, 11:10:05
I found a geocache called TREEHOLE http://coord.info/GCWHDJ in 2006 that was in a paperboard box lying on the ground under a large leaf. Needless to say it didn't last very long.

I remember searching for that one!  It was a poop-infested park and the coordinates were right behind someone's backyard.  Needless to say I didn't find the cache and after my DNF log, the cache was quickly archived by a reviewer.
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: bluelamb03 on October 24, 2011, 12:44:32
There's always new ideas out there, but if they're not tested the result may be an embarrassing fail.

A very popular container in G.E.O., though I've seen a few here in Ottawa, is the  micro centrifuge tube:

(http://product-image.tradeindia.com/00261147/b/0/Micro-Centrifuge-Tubes-PCR-Tubes.jpg)

The snap lid isn't very water tight to start with and is often not closed properly. The result is that the log, already difficult to remove, is a sodden mass that falls to pieces as you try to dig it out of the tube.

On the other hand pop bottle preforms:

(http://www.worldcaching.com/bmz_cache/i/images/preform-tube-geocache-bottle%20blank-medium-350x262.JPG)

Seem to be fairly water tight in my experience, I've never found a wet one.

Blue -
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: Angutas Rest on November 23, 2011, 22:58:27
I like these cell phone containers from Walmart. Cost $5.00

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150386480948876&l=97450d7968 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150386480948876&l=97450d7968)

The plastic holds onto duct tape, and primer.
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: bluelamb03 on January 20, 2012, 14:46:24
I found an excellent example of how critters can deal with geocache containers, and why you never put food or scented items in a cache!
Have a look at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftSkVK8NGOE&feature=youtu.be to see a very determined squirrel.
A raccoon would have it open in half the time, and a bear wouldn't even notice the tupperware.

Blue -
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: BlackRose67 on October 03, 2012, 15:14:54
There's always new ideas out there, but if they're not tested the result may be an embarrassing fail.
With my wife being a diabetic, we end up putting a lot of Glucerna bottles in the blue bin for recycling.

I was thinking these would make good cache containers that would fit the "small" cache size.
I figured since these bottles were designed to keep liquid inside, that they would also keep liquid out - they don't.

I cleaned one out and let it dry completely.
A couple of days later I performed a test on the bottle by putting some toilet paper in the bottle, put the cap on tight, and then placed it under a slow running tap for about 15 minutes.
I was surprised to see that water had managed to get inside the bottle through the cap.
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: royfran on October 03, 2012, 17:18:31
They also have one other characteristic I've come to hate about certain cache containers: the opening is smaller than the container.
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: elyob on October 04, 2012, 13:07:07
[A] characteristic I've come to hate about certain cache containers: the opening is smaller than the container.

I AGREE!!!
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: Frogging101 on October 04, 2012, 13:10:53
They also have one other characteristic I've come to hate about certain cache containers: the opening is smaller than the container.


Why do you hate it? Is it because it makes it hard to trade swag items? That would be why I don't like it.
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: bluelamb03 on October 04, 2012, 13:18:31
It makes it very difficult to remove the logbook.

Blue -
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: Frogging101 on October 04, 2012, 13:20:33
It makes it very difficult to remove the logbook.

Blue -

Oh of course... That too! I've had a few caches like that. Also some of the really tiny micros that I've seen (nanos? They're tiny and shiny and green) have the logbook rolled up so tight just to fit it in there that it's really hard to put back.
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: royfran on October 04, 2012, 21:18:38
Also some of the really tiny micros that I've seen (nanos? They're tiny and shiny and green) have the logbook rolled up so tight just to fit it in there that it's really hard to put back.
I think you mean the bison tubes; nanos are even smaller than that, about the size of a fat blueberry.  If you think you hate rolling and putting back a tight-fitting log now, wait 'till you have to do it when it's -20 outside with a nice wind-chill factor...
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: Lemmy Caution on October 19, 2012, 13:06:55
I thought I had seen some bad containers here in Ottawa and Gatineau but when I visited my sister in London Ont., she brought me to one called Brain Freeze.  It was a slurpee cup on the ground in the shrubbery of a 7-11 parking lot.  ::) 

On another note, I think that Walmart plastic cell phone container wouldn't last one winter - I could see the plastic hinge snapping one cold day. 
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: cron on October 20, 2012, 11:04:25
I think these containers are not placed by COs. They're placed by tourists who want to log a find on a cache they can't find (either they're blind or it was muggled).

I also came across an old coffee cup with a piece of paper in a thin plastic bag under a rock in Iceland. I really doubt the CO used that container.
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: bluelamb03 on March 01, 2013, 13:22:13
Have a look at this thread: http://canadascapitalcachers.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1467.msg11586#new (http://canadascapitalcachers.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1467.msg11586#new)

This is why a clear container is a good idea. If you can see the cache contents are harmless you are not going to call the bomb squad!

Blue -
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: elyob on March 01, 2013, 13:39:45
I thought I had seen some bad containers here in Ottawa and Gatineau but when I visited my sister in London Ont., she brought me to one called Brain Freeze.  It was a slurpee cup on the ground in the shrubbery of a 7-11 parking lot.  ::) 

I wasted enough time DNFing that 7-11 cache in London.  I understand the temptation to drop a log sheet in some close-at-hand container, changing my blue frown to a yellow smile.
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: Angutas Rest on June 25, 2013, 15:57:25
Until the cache was stolen, it was a good container. Even in the winter :)

http://coord.info/GC3J3YF
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: GopherGreg on June 25, 2013, 20:21:37
Until the cache was stolen, it was a good container. Even in the winter :)

http://coord.info/GC3J3YF

I saw that. STF on it. where'dyou get it? I liked it!
Title: Re: Geocache Containers - Protect your Investment
Post by: airedales on November 20, 2013, 11:32:20
I have some caches that are over 7 years old, recycled peanut butter and mayonaise containers.  They seem to hold up extremely well, are watertight and don't degrade. 

I've had one cache where I've used a plastic lock 'n lock (a real one, not a dollar store type) and I've had to replace the container several times.  Naturally its the one that is the furtherest from home.