Author Topic: Is this another wild Goose chase in the Pit?, GC4MFKA, archived?! Really?!  (Read 2882 times)

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bluelamb03

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So I found "Is this another wild Goose chase in the Pit?" http://coord.info/GC4MFKA by Coco7 at last!

A 10 waypoint multi over some challenging terrain, a classic old school tag hunt, but there was a problem - waypoints #7, 8 and 9 were on private property. We met the landowner as we looked for #7 and then again as we trekked from #8 to #9. A nice enough chap but he wasn't happy about people on his land, and redirects bringing people onto his land without any consultation. A nice enough chap, but clearly not pleased with us being on his property, and I think I made that clear in my online log http://coord.info/GLCR8C9G.

I was hoping the cacheowner would mend some fences with the landowner, perhaps move a few redirects if that's what was what it took, and keep this cache going for others to find. Instead Coco7 archived the cache with what I took to be a rather peevish log entry: "too bad this great activity will be killed due to the lowest common demoninator (sic) !" http://coord.info/GLCRBKH7 What? It's my fault you had to archive the cache?! Seriously?

Is it my fault the cache redirects were on private property? Is it my fault we were confronted with a landowner who was upset that he had not been consulted about tags on his land? Is it my fault the cacheowner misled the reviewer and the caching community when he asserted that permission had been granted for the cache placement?

A good lesson on cache stewardship here; it's your cache, if you f*ck it up you should own up and fix the problem! Don't blame others for your failures!

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And now ALL Coco7 http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?guid=44283cf0-528a-49a0-ad63-1562aff642dc&wid=6d549765-305a-4949-8840-a366cf928978&ds=2 caches are being archived?!

A classic geocide!

In his archive log for 'Coco7 #15 - Baby Bear Cache http://coord.info/GLCRBNV4 he admits he placed the cache without permission:

"Ahhh I wonder how many caches are on ski hills that do`not have permission from the owners, since I don`t I`ve decided to close this one down due to the continued influence of the lowest common denominator that is sadly killing this great activity ... thanks to all that actually was able to show discretion while caching and didn`t complain because they didn`t find it the first time around!:

Of course it hasn't been found since February 2011, and there's three consecutive DNF's on it since then...... I guess cache maintenance is out of the question?

Another indicator of poor cache stewardship.

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« Last Edit: November 16, 2013, 22:00:06 by bluelamb03 »
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I'll repost my comment on the NCR facebook page for those who are not members. If you'd like to be, come on over.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NCRGeocachers/


Sadly, there are all kinds of people in this world, and Coco7 has decided to show his true colors. His actions tonight are speaking volumes about his character and morality. A personality type that I personally have no interest in at all. He will rant, and he will roar, and he will deflect blame and likely run home with his ball....

Here's some light reading, if you are so inclined...

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/blameBadBehavior.htm
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I don't know the specific area at all.  With all the caching activity reported in the logs, why did it take the landowner so long to intervene?

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Quite likely this was the first time that he was out and about on his ATV when he saw someone. We met at the roadside near one of the WPs, had a chat in french, and understood that the spot we were at was his property. It was only when we met him later that we learned that he had purchased the entire pit, or a portion of it.

Quite understandably, there have been, and still are, hikers and horseback riders that use the pit, perhaps even with permission. In our conversation he was quite clear that no geocacher had been given permission to place any tags or cache on his property and that he was afraid of liability issues if someone we to get hurt climbing up and down the steep embankments.

We apologised for trespassing; he was ok with us finishing our 'quest' today, but wanted others to be notified to stay away.

Our note on the cachepage gave the CO the details and contact info, but he obviously refuses to do the honourable thing, and has knee-jerked himself into a morass from which he can never recover.

Shameful and embarrassing behaviour, IMHO...
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Two of the caches he's archived are part of him and cron's P.O.O.H series. You need a hint in the cache to find the bonus one... I somehow doubt he removed the containers though.

In his archive log for ''Project P.O.O.H #4'' (http://coord.info/GC43DYR) he says:

Well that`s it for Coco7 and any intent to place geocaches, thanks to all the great cachers that I`ve met over the years ... its really been these people that make the sport, every unfortunate that a couple of bad apples spoil it for every one!

I don't see any bad apples... I don't know how he can be blaming bluelamb and Model12 for running into the property owner, when he put the cache there...

I like how he calls people the "Lowest common denominators..."

I think he's just angry he put alot of work into a neat multi-cache, and now he figures out that it isn't allowed where it is...

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In his archive log for 'Coco7 #15 - Baby Bear Cache http://coord.info/GLCRBNV4 he admits he placed the cache without permission:

"Ahhh I wonder how many caches are on ski hills that do`not have permission from the owners, since I don`t I`ve decided to close this one down due to the continued influence of the lowest common denominator that is sadly killing this great activity ... thanks to all that actually was able to show discretion while caching and didn`t complain because they didn`t find it the first time around!''



In the part I've Italicized, underlined and boldfaced...

He seems to blaming you for not being stealthy enough because the property owner saw you. Not really your fault... It's geocaching... not cops and robbers; You shouldn't have to be sneaking around on private property to get a cache!

It looks like he also thinks you were 'complaining' that you didn't find this one the first time around.

Even though you weren't complaining at all, and just doing the legal thing...

I guess like Model12 said: He just wants someone to blame...

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No, no, you guys all misunderstand.

A cache owner who puts stuff on private property without permission, doesn't check up on his caches, berates the finders when they attempt to provide constructive feedback, and archives it all out of spite when he doesn't get his way?

HE is the "lowest common denominator"! It's people like THAT that are ruining this game and giving Geocaching a bad name.

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and archives it all out of spite when he doesn't get his way?

The thing is if he contacted the property owner, he could've come to a compromise, or if the man was nice enough, even got his way!

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Someone has just pointed out to me that Coco7's archive logs have all been edited!

The incoherent rants, poor grammar and nonsensical ramblings are gone now.... I wonder if he's having second thoughts?

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